I use the same method and the same sequence for each word and have explained each step. Since you still have the words “merlo” and “merlons” The VM words are not even close to similar. The carbon dating pertains to the present VMS binding, not to its predecessor(s), so called libellae with various contents. (5) Marcelo Montemurro, who was a physicist and had a background of the University of Manchester who tried to read the manuscripts, came up with the finding that it was not hoax. I’m among the camp with excellent researchers who believe the VMS is a modern forgery by Wilfrid. And never mind the possible “levendula” (?) Only Pisces, Aries and Taurus have nymphs in tubs. Rene, I withdrew the work I’d published online for many reasons, most to do with its being misused or ‘recycled’ without proper acknowledgements by persons other than the linguists and cryptographers for whose benefit I’d been publishing the material. Like finding volume G of the Encyclopedia Britannica . Like that big “diagonal line and hook” thing or “eagle”. Here is the link. I think I’ve pretty much proven the prefix-midfix-suffix idea works, unless you have evidence to the contrary? The Hygromanteia explains the medicinal properties of plants with star-spirits that imbue their powers into moisture. Who fills already stones into a still living animal, and that also still although the wolf stands under nature protection. The presence of 15th century marginalia there is a bit of a giveaway that it wasn’t made after 1500. But I play my role as the devil’s advocate not in the slam-bang style. Nor, as you rightly say have we grounds to form any opinion on the matter, since the full range of necessary evidence isn’t available. C =-.-. Thirdly Rich, a minor suggestion and excuse me if I sound presumptuous, the past as far as William Friedman, Newbold and Tilman did not utilize the speed of computers we have today or if some of them even had access to one. I have had people become quite annoyed when I tried to explain that this isn’t how things were for most of human history. To me, these speak all very loudly (almost deafeningly so) of a consciously structured core language or cipher, one that was further consciously evolved. ohhhhh, fairytale lesson again? If so does it suggest pre- or post-conquest? It’s astounding. Could be love of truth, science, knowledge, mankind, everything you can think of in this scenario. So you have to read the manuscript. I don’t resent people who achieve success through honest means. Language: English (XVI century), modified English (imitation of X century) ****(4): 11 Because the manuscript is written and encrypted in the Czech language. Encryption manuscript is therefore based on numerological system. Sorry to be so slow (re the numbering system). Face it JKP no one stole your cookies. I’m currently investigating another vary intricate step which may describe the first letter of each vord in Italian, as to indicate through steganography, where to start in my MS Access database along with the sum of the Morse code. http://ciphermysteries.com/2015/06/29/the-voynich-manuscripts-three-crowns. And so he unintentionally though, but equally proved the possibility of encryption through his method, and not only of the creation of language-y gobbledygook from random syllables. “portad” noun feminine A-Declension ablative singular of porta “through the gate” yield j+letter Sorbus AriA plant f102v2 otol found AriA plant in f30v Thanks ! And when you’ve burnt out on that, remove all radial influences and think heraldry again. Ad hominems until he left. . And last and finally a language that cannot be deciphered by humanity, or any “earthling” because the language and the writing system did not originate on our planet. And so the forum dies – usually within about four years or so. Heaven forfend, I seen unwittingly to have incubated a theory – if anyone could be bothered doing so, I’d be glad to have it removed. In addition, to depict the world as a square, and locate its quarters at the diagonals, and then represent each of the four regions (not continents) using its own culture’s visual “shorthand” is a thing I’ve never seen in medieval European art. Generally, crosses or little Virgin Mary statues in niches were on Christian influenced house walls, but no large paintings of violent men. SirHubert: re-reading Reuben Ogburn’s page just now, it’s clear that I did miss one instance, so this is probably an issue to which I should return before very long. Maybe the “balneo” section is showing the zodiac spirits in the water of the plant parts? I was wondering if you could do me a big favor. “Michiton oladaba” is NONSENSE — at least it does not relate to the rest of the document: I have also seen “sil” for silber and “b” for braun but these are highly uncertain so don’t quote me on that. Curious dream description looks for me the best theory We all are trying to find linguistic meaning of manuscript text, but it may not exist. We can also deduce his health. Here are the results for a folio by the looser writing scribe, f22v: In 16 lines, “o” occurs 54 times, “a” occurs 24 times (of which “amt” occurs 16 times; the linked “cc” occurs 29 times. With passage of time, “Urdu” language was forced in the region and subsequently became an official language and in current times known as Sindhi language (Descendant language of Landa script) which is currently written in Urdu script. Being that this cipher is in anagram format with a stable key, however perhaps that particular vord fits say ten Italian words which Wilfrid could string into a coherent sentence yet not perfectly though. But I will try. ‘C’:’-.-.’, ‘D’:’-..’, ‘E’:’.’, I have not talked with you in a long time, and I just noticed these comments on here. Is the Thing seeing inflection in a and y ? Helping very much like all academics. The person running the site says he has no knowledge of anyone noting this before. I am still heavily engaged (entangled? And your task is to find the author ( discover ). Shift letters. There have been a discussion recently in the comments here and also in the blog of David Jackson upon that subject of the ladies composition, you may be able to google it out; I still believe that the “folk calendar” direction is well worth further investigation. Using your method I found that it actually reads “Thomas cheats”. So be careful with your interpretation. There is really no system to the madness other than he used Steganography for Morse Code dots and dashes. English language = cipher. My main statement is that the Voynich text is utter rubbish and gibberish which follows a Zipfian Distribution and I understand that. The Voynich manuscript, described as \"the world's most mysterious manuscript\", is a work which dates to the early 15th century, possibly from northern Italy. Thanks. If you want to include a link, replace the : and the final . This is also noted (predicted) elsewhere in Fumblydiddles, I think, or was at one time. Your post was addressed to Nick, but I hope you’ll forgive my commenting. People who believe they are channeling, may believe they are channeling multiple entities. Why should I be frustrated? by Roger Bacon and Albertus Magnus, both of whom used it) to be by Aristotle. Rene Zandbergen, as far as I know, was the first to find the parallel with MS Vicenza 362, in (I think) 2010. Even Germany’s not entirely impossible, I suppose. ensnared?) Latin? And, maybe it employs such in a manner that is corrupting the purity of the original enunciation. Probably also in the VMS. The dying VMS shows a lack of authenticity! When you have a list of alike things, sometimes their names are also alike. OOTB: please don’t write “selective ideological gateway for those who are down with the semiology” on my website, it makes me feel queasy. Although after writing such a long document he may have became one with his invented script to actually read it with concentration using the cipher. You have some education. Apart from the objects depicted, one has to be able to. So there’s nothing about a person’s saying their work was plagiarised to justify categorising them as mentally ill. Also, in f67r there seems to be a sign behind the blue at 2 o’clock – like Pisces without a cross strike, or perhaps it was meant to be Aquarius. I have not been able to confirm that five pointed stars do not occur in the VM because of a) eye trouble, and b) I am out in the mulga and only have access to an old computer with a poor screen. This should be troublesome. Otherwise, I’ll see where my autobahn takes me as I am passionate about VM and, like you, most likely don’t wish to waste time theorizing about crap. xplor: My findings definitely do need confirmation! The character of the Jewish King David. I partially agree with Nick about academics. Eventually it became forgotten that it was ever under suspicion of heresy and in moving from one dead man’s bookshelf to another eventually made its way to Rudolf ii. According to what is written on the cover letter. [TROLLY BULLSHIT REMOVED HERE] Furthermore, take a hard look at the glyphs which I represent as dots and dashes they’re not always a “letter”. So in this case, it may well be that an amateur who’s studied it for years will know more about this particular object. Every New Year’s Eve, on all the TV stations. I’m boring myself Back to work…. I merely use an Italian Dictionary following a very sound method that Voynich albeit did not know Italian very well. Which she is not doing. if so then theres probably some trace of it that exists in some form or other in England – Glastonbury abbey or Templar location not yet thoroughly scoured. A typical weakness of their ego which you could almost rely on with the help of a comlex layer of encryption. Certainly the relative rankings I saw today on the voynich.ninja site make no sense to me. Well you implied something like anagrams is absurd with this quote, “problems… anagrams. I finished my second degree in 1984 – with majors in the history of art, computer studies, ancient near eastern languages and literature, and in the archaeology of industry (of ‘made things’). I now think there is some evidence that the manuscript is a copy, but whether from a draft or from an original, who knows. My new version is much more accurate. But the T-O is not only somewhere, it’s directly in that folio as well! Or maybe its read like Merlins writing….Can only be read while looking at it in a mirror. Can you provide a list of points here in bullets for why you believe the MS-408 is 15th century document and back it up I doubt it. The pattern is always the same; a new forum begins with a lively intellectual environment and each member speaking as an individual researcher. Then you must conclude that there cannot be a Christian connection whatsoever, for no such Christian imagery was encountered on house walls before. Many thanks Nick, a pleasant surprise and, it goes without saying, a happy and enlightning gnu year to you too. If you look up “letters hidden in plants” on Nick’s site this is discussed in some detail. Having said that, the depicted cruciform object in question may still come from the Christian conditioned mindset of a later, possible European copier living in a Christian milieu, who may have introduced this device, thus possibly carelessly polluting the pure original spiritual or practical subject matter. Rene: And to be as fair as I be; your failure to respond to my last three simple questions concerning the 2009 press disclosures is rather telling and somewhat unbecoming of you. because i do not know more about Christianty. In your earlier “solution”, you used numerology to. – sorry if these references seem enigmatic to anyone. Surely, from the cipher text we have yet recognized nothing; I meant specifically visual reference – drawings, markings, illustrations… Well, Eliška ( Elizabeth of Rosenberg ). Someone else compared them to crowns on the calendar of saints, which sounds more medieval. You certainly do not need help. You really have a vivid imagination. Here are the Images. It is obvious that the MS was created by a human being, at least one. I do think that there are two or three people in the world genuinely interested in this fascinating manuscript. – not that I’m saying the text is Chinese. Diane: I channelled my initial elation and excitement about the Averlino hypothesis into sustained hard work and long-term research, with the specific aim of testing it against as much pertinent historical evidence as I could gain access to; and only once I had largely completed that painstaking process did I then start to tell people about it. ” but I wanted to mention that I’ve come back to Turkic languages a few times.” JKP insinuates here that he was on to that. Hints at surgery but not sure if that reading is historically accurate. if we admit that some of the marginalia ARE German), the question arises why would the author use the German language – especially for the purely “auxiliary” marks which the colour codes are. I’m afraid your address and many others were lost in the bushfires. If plant stems join, the leaves or roots can be used as an aid in healing bone breaks. Furthermore we know: Where is love, there is fear. http://www.orientalthane.com/arts/news_2008_03_21.htm, as far as my limited knowlege goes, this paper seems more or less reliable. Same old, same old…. I prefer for the sake of a general readership always to use the pagination published by the holding library – and since scans are reasonably expected to read left to right, I use that system – hence 67v-1, not the mailing list custom of calling it 67v-2. The manuscript measures 23.5 by 16.2 by 5 cm (9.3 by 6.4 by 2.0 in), with hundreds of vellum pages collected into 18 quires. Period of writing – 1583 -1587 (or 1588). I wonder if any 2 people have come with the same or a similar theory independently. aGoe8e8g0 The green arrow here points straight to the letter “g” of the supposed “get” (or whatever it is): http://athenaea.net/images/12.jpg, For f67r, here I marked with the red circle the place where you should look for it: http://athenaea.net/images/13.jpg. 2) To hide alchemical material such as transmutation. Efforts have, bud it is a very little success. Nice, but ……. (She doesn’t care about any of that – she only cares about writing her symbols – that’s her one big special thing. Actually he used it 666 times, but these 111 were in the lost pages. Are they normally depicted with clothes or was it more like the work of Lucas Cranach the Elder ? Since I’ve never met Gladyseva I can’t say why she decided as she did, but can’t see much benefit to the study, to my work, or her good name in speculations of that sort. Is anyone else aware of any work along the same lines? This strengthened my view of the whole f86v as the map of the world. I would not know about a child of 10 years old, who would be able to invent plants, know about astrology and astronomy in detail, would depict nude women in baths and invent a script that no one could read. Moreover, the big toe looks bigger than the rest. I have looked at what VM glyph(s) precedes it, In most cases it is a linked “cc”, that may be an “i”. I’d say it’s rather “por”, which in the context of colour-coding is enigmatic. But that’s already taken for 9 .- and a .- Thanks for the question. Dee apparently owned the manuscript along with a number of other Roger Bacon manuscripts. J.K.P: I can see where you’re coming from and where you stand with such a profound statement ie. Large parchment map of the world does not ( not !!) It’s not at all uncommon. You should see the Indian lift that fridge and go yachting with the whole family. Hi Nick, following our emails of earlier today, I am resubmitting my posting for your review, this time with the web addresses disguised. Hi Josef , Fame garners unwanted attention and unrealistic expectations. This hypothesis proposes that the Voynich Manuscript is a circa 1908 to 1910 work, created by or at the request of Wilfrid Voynich, using materials he found after … My name is Nikolai. He broke the rules a third time (if I remember correctly) and was banned again. He seems more or less childish in his replies and although I have never met him, I would think that his age to be in his late 20′ early 30′ yet he is extremely articulate. To be frank, that is a nonsensical position. PS see remainder of ‘Tuscany Herbal’ posts. Ideally, the provenancer will also explain the lineage of such imagery, including any anomalies. From the Sumerian myths known that God ENKI using Abgal- sages taught men Writing, irrigation, agriculture, Herbal Therapy. The Vms crowns tell us little more than that at some stage people who knew the look of European crowns had reason to inscribe a couple or three. Time’s running. Good luck with your book. Anton: If we take the map as a four-way world map then it would necessarily contradict the T/O map. The one thing I like about the Voynich Ninja site, which is not possible with Nick’s comments, is the ability to post images illustrating what one is talking about. A queen who fits all of this is Elizabeth of Luxembourg the daughter of Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund 1 who was born on 7 October and was the regent from 1437 to 1439. I would have liked to read Ackerson’s ideas, but the link seems long gone. Otherwise it’ll just be tiny increments of observations (most of which are duplications of previous efforts) that will finally peter out in the 2020’s at the latest. , http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23400000/Moe-Howard-three-stooges-23436760-444-516.jpg. ), Voynich manuscript. In Russian we say: “to decant from empty into the unfilled”, which is somewhat like the English “to mill the wind”. Anton: That’s the autobahn I’m on anyways :). To which I added my objections. Japanese female names often end in -ko. He was most interested in the works of art being produced during his lifetime. The symbol fish. Their sons or daughters are more likely to fit. He was challenged to learn one of them (Icelandic), in a week, and did so, according to the judgement of Icelandic referees. Believe me if you are a language expert. Tom, I was obsessed with ciphers as a kid. This made it possible to trade with South America. Certainly it is the Julian calendar, according to me a Saints-calendar, because the months do not always show 30 days in a row. Consider the possibility that the crowned woman in the ‘October’ Zodiac represents a real historical monarch. But the manuscript is beyond your capabilities. There is a key to cipher the Voynich manuscript. What type of cipher would allow for longer words to change values of the same glyph for a latin letter? Need I say more? Any normal colophon is in the hand of the vellum maker and scribe, not a sloppy thing like we see in the VM. Work more. And what is important, so it is important to read what is written there. I started to publish my first attempts at translation of the Voynich manuscript on my blog. @The Mysteries regarding Ciphers think tank group. Wilfrid used an Italian dictionary as his translator to form Italian words cross referenced from Morse code via his odd glyphs! I can make only a general note that the 1st page of anything (especially if that anything is not covered yet) is a common place to accumulate (re)marks that are not initially intended to be there – blots, accidental notes, lazy drawings etc. and moon? Hello colleagues! And there are probably reasons for the few exceptions that I just haven’t figured out yet. I’ll add a note to the blog-posts etc. But the evidence from which I came to that view, and the reasoning behind it, took some years to present online so I shan’t attempt to persuade anyone in a blog-post. E.g., the script may well be enciphered Latin (or whatever you like). ‘message’ -> ‘stores the string to be encoded or decoded’ of the clever-arse academic), his solution must also kind of look the part too (i.e. And why has the logo. My apologies if these matters have been dealt with previously, Byron: there are two known enciphered books of secrets from the fifteenth century, both made by Giovanni da Fontana, and both containing technical secrets. Hint 7 dots is a space and this code goes another step deeper that’s all for Alice. , Finally: as the years have rolled by, my opinion of almost everything that gets written about unbroken codes and ciphers (whether by Hungarian scholars or not) has gradually lowered to the point where I regard the vast majority of it as sub-Wikipediaesque nonsense. I don”t see your conclusion, that the VMS has been copied from Hindu or Arabic work, because it uses the modified Arabic numerals. The Voynich Manuscript has been reliably dated to mere decades before the invention of the printing press, so it's likely that its peculiar blend of plagiarism and curation was a dying format. As for WestVinIceAntilAtlanEtcLand being associated with air, a brief check of world wind current maps shows that the Atlantic coast of Europe has West-to-East winds (i.e. Since 2008, I have never seen any respect shown your work, or mine, or anyone else’s. And I must say, it seems still to get verifiable results – the cocking mechanism on f.73v had not, I think, been recognised before. Imagine an arbitrarily arranged, rectangular template of all the letters of the alphabet of the plaintext language, also punctuation marks, and even a space as well. I have theorized that the female in f57 is holding the ring which represents a dot in Morse code. However the classic but lame book Code unchopped was in Italian anagrams and it was my first publication; as it was a substitution cipher which left out some Gallows, because they were nulls. I understand your position, but the main problem might be, that the comments on your blog are on the topic level, mainly art. I consider only marginalia introduced by the author himself. And not to brag. Looks like the facts are slamming us right in logical hemisphere of our minds! Possibly for cost reasons. The depiction of nude women, maybe the author had a dirty mind. His first name GerritJan was hidden 160 times, his last name Hungerink 18 times. If you are interested, I am ready to send more detailed information, including scans of pages showing the translated words. Rene Second : I would appreciate it if you could provide me with a source for your comment on savants examining the VM. I wrote about that some time ago: http://athenaea.net/index.php?id=56. A year later, Nill sold the manuscript to prominent rare-book dealer Hans Peter (“H.P.”) Kraus for … noun ‘anus’ = ‘ring’ is irrelevant. Let me help him. They may be adding something to, or absorbing something from, this green liquid they’re standing in. Why not start by taking a science book often time, finding the most common words like boil and dry and dissolve and make the shorthand. The colour is caked so thickly that it’s difficult to tell. 4- why the author wrote it this why so noone can read it ? Or maybe someone else will come up with a better reason for the words to be able to be divided up into coded sections so regularly. It is written in signs. Petebowes: my belief is that at least some (and possibly as many as all) of the nymph drawings were added in multiple stages or layers, but I don’t as yet have a view as to why this was the case, or how many people contributed to that. ah, Holy Grail was probably just a metaphor for the Bible. I would like to give it some thought and respond at a later time. In the end, you need six characters to define the semantic word of three letters. .. /2) …- . In Hangul, “o” is a consonant and at the start of a syllable is a null, at the end of a word it is “ng” in the Romanized transliteration. cipher += MORSE_CODE_DICT[letter] + ‘ ‘ http://voynich.net/Arch/2003/04/msg00161.html. Even the McCrone Analysts must be embarrassed for their assumptions regarding the VMS ink and galls, yet they even could [read: ‘put’] a few hundred years on the calfskin [read: vellum]. What kind of love you ask? Hier steht „ze“ für (she). And – apart from the presence of Occitan-like zodiac month-names, which seem to have been added in an ugly hand by a later owner – why must it have anything to do with Occitan? The lower-case abbreviations seem to me to be very plausibly interpreted as German colour abbreviations, given that Rene has found another contemporary manuscript which uses the same colour codes. (The writing system of now extinct para-Mongolian people. Yale may not wish this document to be compared to the 20th century like academia out of embarrassment. * / Are you doing it on purpose? Many scholars also have reservations about the system which academia.edu introduced a few years ago and without so much as asking the opinion of contributors. 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